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By: Primal Sneeze

Primal Sneeze — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:25:50 +0000

Aonghus - The plain people of Ireland didn't have much of an opinion on ASBOs at the time. It was just another one of McD's knee-jerk policies we were all sick to the teeth hearing him come out with. The reaction of the plain people was to roll their eyes yet again. Agreed on the Irish papers. From original post: Why do our journalists and politicians always insist on using Britain as a role model?

By: aonghus

aonghus — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:24:57 +0000

And I agree with your point. (I’m more likely to comment on something I disagree with then to say “me too” )

But taking, say ASBOs as an example, I think the case there was that the plain people of Ireland were aware of ASBOs and thought they were a suitable solution when floated by McD.

And that’s not surprising, given the number of English papers sold here, and the fact that the Irish papers pay a lot of attention to foreign English language press, but damn all to other languages.

By: Primal Sneeze

Primal Sneeze — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:48:14 +0000

Aonghus - Here again there are different circumstances. Germany approached the people of Turkey and actively encouraged them into the country to stem a labour shortage. She made promises at that time and those commitments still have to be met. We need a different model. But there are German models we could follow. For example, in the mid-80's Germany had a recycling system that was far more advanced than that we have today. My point is that our law makers, who seem unable to develop their own solutions, should study all models not just Britain's. Yes, we are tied to her because we have the same legal system. Of course we are - we copied it. That is not to say Britain's methods should be ignored.

By: aonghus

aonghus — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:59:24 +0000

Colours to the mast time. Sorry for going off on a tangent. It was infromed by my experience as an immigrant in Germany, in the third largest Turkish city, Berlin. I don't want to see that kind of parallel universe here. We should be looking at Germany (who had damn all empire but have plenty of immigrants) as well as the former Empires Britain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands. And the US. Maybe we can avoid their mistakes. Of course, how many of our commentariat can read the Frankfurter Allegemeine or Le Monde? We are tied to Britain in some ways because our legal system is basically the same, so it's easy to import their models. But....

By: Primal Sneeze

Primal Sneeze — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:37:06 +0000

A Chainteoir - Thank you so much. At long last someone has understood the crux of this post instead of going off on a tangent to suit their own agenda. As I said in my reply to Lina this post is not about Gardaí wearing turbans or not. As a blogger and journalist I admire, I allowed her to draw me on my personal opinion as an aside to the main topic. I am sure she would reciprocate if asked.

By: An Cainteoir Dóchais

An Cainteoir Dóchais — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:09:05 +0000

Turbans or no turbans, I agree that just because they do something over in Britain is not the right reason to do it here. It certainly wouldn't hurt if Ireland tried a little harder to by-pass the British curtain behind which it lives.

By: aonghus

aonghus — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:38:22 +0000

Did Fintan O Toole lift his IT column yesterday from you too? Great minds and all that.

By: Primal Sneeze

Primal Sneeze — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:25:28 +0000

The feker must have gotten the idea from me. But for once they're not following Britain's lead - I doubt if any cop in the UK sports either a fáinne or a pioneer pin. I never thought of the health and safety aspect though.

By: aonghus

aonghus — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:20:56 +0000

Chonaic mé an píosa sin leis. "Ar son na cúise" an chéad lch a léim i bhFoinse. Is annamh gan seod a bheith air.

By: Rosie

Rosie — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:05:02 +0000

Cosc ar Ghardaí Fáinne na Gaeilge ná Biorán Réadóirí a Chaitheamh ...ar eagla go scanródh siad Béarlóirí (nó Ultaiseoirí) agus óltóirí "Ní amháin sin ach tá an biorán beag a ghreamaíonn an Fáinne baolach ó thaobh sláinteachas agus slándála" a dúirt urlabhraí an Gharda, Neodrán Ó Measartha... [agus leanann sé] Ar Son na Cúise, Foinse, 26/08/07 Brilliant.