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		<title>By: Primal Sneeze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Primal Sneeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam - Damn the damn dam! It seems like it wasn&#039;t built properly in the first place - if it were, there would have been a suitable weir there already.

Sniffles - Sorry. Can&#039;t stop. I&#039;m hooked on whining since I came off the glue. And I still hate D&#039;Arcy.

Kirk - You are a gentleman too. And a scholar. Thousands would tell the truth, but I say you are.

Ann - You have half the answer there: &lt;i&gt;Growth and wealth but still run things shabbily&lt;/i&gt; - we didn&#039;t know how to handle it after years of living hand-to-mouth on borrowings and being in a position where planning beyond tomorrow wasn&#039;t possible. Why we haven&#039;t learned since is another thing.

Medbh - Eh, I eh, actually didn&#039;t mean to. The post began some time ago just as a story about two different building experiences and just took on a life of its own. Don&#039;t tell anyone though - I&#039;m all chuffed now that I&#039;ve used a metaphor. If anyone asks, tell them that&#039;s what I really meant to do.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4611&#039;,&#039;Primal Sneeze&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam &#8211; Damn the damn dam! It seems like it wasn&#8217;t built properly in the first place &#8211; if it were, there would have been a suitable weir there already.</p>
<p>Sniffles &#8211; Sorry. Can&#8217;t stop. I&#8217;m hooked on whining since I came off the glue. And I still hate D&#8217;Arcy.</p>
<p>Kirk &#8211; You are a gentleman too. And a scholar. Thousands would tell the truth, but I say you are.</p>
<p>Ann &#8211; You have half the answer there: <i>Growth and wealth but still run things shabbily</i> &#8211; we didn&#8217;t know how to handle it after years of living hand-to-mouth on borrowings and being in a position where planning beyond tomorrow wasn&#8217;t possible. Why we haven&#8217;t learned since is another thing.</p>
<p>Medbh &#8211; Eh, I eh, actually didn&#8217;t mean to. The post began some time ago just as a story about two different building experiences and just took on a life of its own. Don&#8217;t tell anyone though &#8211; I&#8217;m all chuffed now that I&#8217;ve used a metaphor. If anyone asks, tell them that&#8217;s what I really meant to do.
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		<title>By: Medbh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medbh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the house as metaphor for the nation, Primal.
Brilliant.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4601&#039;,&#039;Medbh&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the house as metaphor for the nation, Primal.<br />
Brilliant.
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...fantastic post. The only thing I would have added is something about how you have to wait six months-plus to even sit a driving test. But then that&#039;s a subject that&#039;s near and dear to my heart.

In Ohio, you can get a driving test scheduled within days of asking for it, sometimes even the very next day. I know, it&#039;s not an entirely fair comparison, since Ohio has something like 4 times the people, but still. 

I really don&#039;t understand how Ireland could have had all these years of unprecedented growth and wealth but still run things so shabbily and made such crazy choices.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4582&#039;,&#039;Ann&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;fantastic post. The only thing I would have added is something about how you have to wait six months-plus to even sit a driving test. But then that&#8217;s a subject that&#8217;s near and dear to my heart.</p>
<p>In Ohio, you can get a driving test scheduled within days of asking for it, sometimes even the very next day. I know, it&#8217;s not an entirely fair comparison, since Ohio has something like 4 times the people, but still. </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t understand how Ireland could have had all these years of unprecedented growth and wealth but still run things so shabbily and made such crazy choices.
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		<title>By: Kirk M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you sir. You are a gentleman and a school bus driver (don&#039;t ask, not worth it).&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4580&#039;,&#039;Kirk M&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you sir. You are a gentleman and a school bus driver (don&#8217;t ask, not worth it).
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		<title>By: Primal Sneeze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Primal Sneeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.ie/national-news/supertruck-showdown-as-minister-faces-hauliers-over-port-tunnel-height-222248.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; you go, Kirk.

... I&#039;ll get back to the rest of yez later ...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4579&#039;,&#039;Primal Sneeze&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.independent.ie/national-news/supertruck-showdown-as-minister-faces-hauliers-over-port-tunnel-height-222248.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> you go, Kirk.</p>
<p>&#8230; I&#8217;ll get back to the rest of yez later &#8230;
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		<title>By: Kirk M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Primal,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I haven’t a good bridge story for you, but we did build a tunnel specifically for trucks that some trucks couldn’t fit into.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? You got pictures or even just an article about this? I gotta have it! That&#039;s unbelievable. When I read that I laughed my...well never mind then. But if you have a source I&#039;d love to read it. I know that kind of mees up is pretty pitiful but thanks for the laugh anyway!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4578&#039;,&#039;Kirk M&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Primal,</p>
<blockquote><p>I haven’t a good bridge story for you, but we did build a tunnel specifically for trucks that some trucks couldn’t fit into.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really? You got pictures or even just an article about this? I gotta have it! That&#8217;s unbelievable. When I read that I laughed my&#8230;well never mind then. But if you have a source I&#8217;d love to read it. I know that kind of mees up is pretty pitiful but thanks for the laugh anyway!
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		<title>By: Sniffle &#38; Cry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sniffle &#38; Cry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey PS, I didn’t say ignore it. There’s an absurdity about Irish life. It’s our own cosy banana republic and there is no sentiment to change anything. We are solely interested in our own fat well being. That’s a reality which I see every day. If you keep hitting you head against a brick wall, well then you’ll get a hurty head.  

I agree and with what you say and you also remind of Fergus Finlay, a fella I admire. But if you get tired of saying and writing the same things, I also think we get tired of hearing the same stuff, not here in your good blog, but on Joe Duffy, in the media, in the pub and wherever discourse happens. And we become desensitised to a point where we can’t tell an issue from a crisis. 

I still like Ray Darcy.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4577&#039;,&#039;Sniffle &amp; Cry&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey PS, I didn’t say ignore it. There’s an absurdity about Irish life. It’s our own cosy banana republic and there is no sentiment to change anything. We are solely interested in our own fat well being. That’s a reality which I see every day. If you keep hitting you head against a brick wall, well then you’ll get a hurty head.  </p>
<p>I agree and with what you say and you also remind of Fergus Finlay, a fella I admire. But if you get tired of saying and writing the same things, I also think we get tired of hearing the same stuff, not here in your good blog, but on Joe Duffy, in the media, in the pub and wherever discourse happens. And we become desensitised to a point where we can’t tell an issue from a crisis. </p>
<p>I still like Ray Darcy.
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		<title>By: problemchildbride</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems only one trout ever made it up the ladder so I imagine it did die out all by itself up there in the reservoir, tragically bubbling out &quot;One Is Such A Lonely Number&quot; and weeping freshwater tears.  But who notices if a fish cries?  Noone can tell - that is their mystery. But we&#039;re all too busy to think about what it must be like, knowing that you may never see your kind again.

Damned things aren&#039;t even endangered.  3 million!  Pissed away!  I&#039;m all for fish ladders and sustaining ecology and habitat but this was a plan that never had a hope of success, ironically actually &lt;i&gt;disturbing&lt;/i&gt; wildlife in its implementation.  They knew the dam was coming down anyway - they knew!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4573&#039;,&#039;problemchildbride&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems only one trout ever made it up the ladder so I imagine it did die out all by itself up there in the reservoir, tragically bubbling out &#8220;One Is Such A Lonely Number&#8221; and weeping freshwater tears.  But who notices if a fish cries?  Noone can tell &#8211; that is their mystery. But we&#8217;re all too busy to think about what it must be like, knowing that you may never see your kind again.</p>
<p>Damned things aren&#8217;t even endangered.  3 million!  Pissed away!  I&#8217;m all for fish ladders and sustaining ecology and habitat but this was a plan that never had a hope of success, ironically actually <i>disturbing</i> wildlife in its implementation.  They knew the dam was coming down anyway &#8211; they knew!
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		<title>By: Primal Sneeze</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caro - Spot on! Two-lane motorways: They are putting a 3rd on the M50 now. Dare anyone suggest a 4th while they&#039;re at it to allow for future growth?

Grannymar - I will never run &lt;u&gt;for&lt;/u&gt; government, but every time I meet an elected official I am tempted to make a run &lt;u&gt;at&lt;/u&gt; them.

Sniffles - Moving on means ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away. That&#039;s never a course of action I would take.
If you, or anyone else lives in my general area and genuinely needs the builder&#039;s number, drop me a mail. He really is that good.

White girl - I&#039;ll certainly put it to him. We might even pay for it - the UN asked us last week to foot Kofi Annan&#039;s bill and we agreed - I&#039;m sure an extra few quid could be spared.

Kirk - I&#039;d better take these one by one:
&#183; It&#039;s gone like that around here too. I remember a neighbour&#039;s farm buildings being demolished in a storm about 30 years ago and the community restoring them.
&#183; I&#039;m extending, not building from scratch. No, I&#039;m nowhere near Grandad, but I see where you&#039;re coming from.
&#183; The tram lines not connecting wasn&#039;t an error - it was intentional. Stupid, but intentional. I haven&#039;t a good bridge story for you, but we did build a tunnel specifically for trucks that some trucks couldn&#039;t fit into.
&#183; Now that&#039;s how the points system should work. Fair play to ye!

Sam - I could fill the blog with these screw ups. A number of blogs probably.
Will the trout be back once the dam has gone or have the stocks died out?
Hey! You will get to see the tram lines in less than a month. And get to see their absence too. Excited?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4572&#039;,&#039;Primal Sneeze&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caro &#8211; Spot on! Two-lane motorways: They are putting a 3rd on the M50 now. Dare anyone suggest a 4th while they&#8217;re at it to allow for future growth?</p>
<p>Grannymar &#8211; I will never run <u>for</u> government, but every time I meet an elected official I am tempted to make a run <u>at</u> them.</p>
<p>Sniffles &#8211; Moving on means ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away. That&#8217;s never a course of action I would take.<br />
If you, or anyone else lives in my general area and genuinely needs the builder&#8217;s number, drop me a mail. He really is that good.</p>
<p>White girl &#8211; I&#8217;ll certainly put it to him. We might even pay for it &#8211; the UN asked us last week to foot Kofi Annan&#8217;s bill and we agreed &#8211; I&#8217;m sure an extra few quid could be spared.</p>
<p>Kirk &#8211; I&#8217;d better take these one by one:<br />
&middot; It&#8217;s gone like that around here too. I remember a neighbour&#8217;s farm buildings being demolished in a storm about 30 years ago and the community restoring them.<br />
&middot; I&#8217;m extending, not building from scratch. No, I&#8217;m nowhere near Grandad, but I see where you&#8217;re coming from.<br />
&middot; The tram lines not connecting wasn&#8217;t an error &#8211; it was intentional. Stupid, but intentional. I haven&#8217;t a good bridge story for you, but we did build a tunnel specifically for trucks that some trucks couldn&#8217;t fit into.<br />
&middot; Now that&#8217;s how the points system should work. Fair play to ye!</p>
<p>Sam &#8211; I could fill the blog with these screw ups. A number of blogs probably.<br />
Will the trout be back once the dam has gone or have the stocks died out?<br />
Hey! You will get to see the tram lines in less than a month. And get to see their absence too. Excited?
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		<title>By: problemchildbride</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 02:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey, that is a lot of fucking up.  I think it happens everywhere though, although what you have described there does seem like rather a lot of fucked up instances. 

Our town invested 3 million in a fish-ladder for steelhead trout knowing full well that there was a better than 50% chance the dam they were climbing would be scheduled for destruction within 5 years time.  Since it was constructed the camera meant to capture the teeming fish captured just two photos. One was too grainy to be sure what it was and we got our first verified trout-sighting the other week.  The dam will be down by this time next year.

I see more and more these days that if you want something done properly don&#039;t let the government do it.  Look at New Orleans.

This was a great post by the way. The irony of car-free day being the day that bus-riders need to take their cars is beautiful in its ineptness.  And the missed rail connection - that&#039;s priceless. Priceless too on account of how much that mistake cost, no doubt,&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4569&#039;,&#039;problemchildbride&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey, that is a lot of fucking up.  I think it happens everywhere though, although what you have described there does seem like rather a lot of fucked up instances. </p>
<p>Our town invested 3 million in a fish-ladder for steelhead trout knowing full well that there was a better than 50% chance the dam they were climbing would be scheduled for destruction within 5 years time.  Since it was constructed the camera meant to capture the teeming fish captured just two photos. One was too grainy to be sure what it was and we got our first verified trout-sighting the other week.  The dam will be down by this time next year.</p>
<p>I see more and more these days that if you want something done properly don&#8217;t let the government do it.  Look at New Orleans.</p>
<p>This was a great post by the way. The irony of car-free day being the day that bus-riders need to take their cars is beautiful in its ineptness.  And the missed rail connection &#8211; that&#8217;s priceless. Priceless too on account of how much that mistake cost, no doubt,
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