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The blogger and the editor

Sitting next to me in the barber’s was an old sparring partner of mine. Some of the best discussions, debates and arguments I’ve ever had were with this man. A lifelong newspaper man, he is a fountain of knowledge and difficult to trip up. Over the years I seldom won, or even came close.

I enquired as to what he was up to now having retired as editor of a provincial almost a year ago.

Playing golf and sitting on my arse. And enjoying both immensely. I should have retired years ago.

Do you not get bored?

Not at all. I was bored reading the same tat the hacks were sending across my desk in the latter years though. If I had to read one more piece regurgitated for the umpteenth time I would have screamed.

That bad, huh?

Laziness and computers. Copy and paste. Change a line here and there and whack it out.

That’s plagiarism!

Not when the hack filing it wrote it themselves in the first place. Refiling it half a dozen times is laziness.

You don’t miss it then?

I miss the thrill of when one of my reporters broke something before the nationals. And I really miss writing the editorial.

Would you take up blogging? As a hobby. You could write what you want, when you want.

Christ no! I don’t want to be associated with that. You can’t trust the Internet. I’ve seen good journalists make fools of themselves by reporting ‘facts’ they read on the Internet.

Now that’s plagiarism!

There is no copyright on the Internet.

Wrong on this one, Patsy. No matter the publication medium, what someone writes is copyrighted to them.

Humph! It can’t be trusted. Look at Wikipedia.

Wikipedia has been shown to be more accurate than Britannica in many fields. Plus it is right up to the minute. Britannica is only published periodically. For every person who vandalises an important article there are a hundred others who will jump in a correct it immediately.

Humph! I still don’t trust it.

I’m careful with it too, but that’s no to say I ignore it totally. But anyway, I don’t know how we got onto Wikipedia. Back to blogging - I think you’d enjoy it. I really do.

Blogging, Wikipedia, the whole Internet - all the same. Can’t be trusted. Any of it.

Next! The barber called and so one of the few debates I could have won with this man was cut short. There will be an opportunity to resurrect it at some stage I’m sure. I could cite cases of journalists copying bloggers. How bloggers can break news faster. How businesses can use blogs to get their message across without it being corrupted by a newspaper subby. Yes, I’d love to win this one and I’m sure I can. What I’d like even more is to convince him to try blogging.

The rants of an old-style newspaper hack, with ingrained prejudices, published on the platform they all despise, would make very interesting reading. What beautiful irony it would be. We could learn why these, otherwise well informed journalists, lump all aspects of the Web together. Why they fight against it. Why the younger in the business embrace it to a degree, but fail to understand it fully.

I think a phone call to meet up for a pint at the weekend would be in order. All going well there will be a part two to this. If it goes as I want it to, there will be a new link on the side-bar.

Update: It didn’t go well. It didn’t go badly. Let’s just say we are in talks about talks.

23 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. I do hope you convince him to blog. That sounds like it would be great reading. (Btw, I think it’s a bit creepy that your blog ‘recognises’ me - welcoming me back and asking if I have something to share. :))

    1. Ann on June 26th, 2008 at 7:38 am
  2. @Ann - It could be a battle as he despises the Internet so. However, he genuinely misses writing his column so there is hope. This Friday is my only chance for a while - he’s going back home on Saturday.

    ps. I can disable that creepy thing if folks don’t like it. It was on special offer - buy one creepy thing, get another free.

    2. Primal Sneeze on June 26th, 2008 at 7:51 am
  3. You’ll talk him round. You can be very persuasive, Mr. Sneeze…

    I like the creepy thing, I nearly said “Howya” back to it yesterday.

    3. Caro on June 26th, 2008 at 8:45 am
  4. @Caro - An so you should have. Creepy things have feelings too you know.

    4. Primal Sneeze on June 26th, 2008 at 8:56 am
  5. Excellent piece. Looking forward to part two. I hope you succeed in your mission to get the man blogging.

    5. Darren on June 26th, 2008 at 8:59 am
  6. @Darren - I reckon I’ll be up for a Nobel prize if I do. Me and the lad who invented the door-knocker.

    6. Primal Sneeze on June 26th, 2008 at 9:05 am
  7. All I can say is [citation needed] :D
    PS: Howya, creepy thing!

    EDIT: Weird, first time I tried this I was told I was caught by the spam system :?

    7. TheChrisD on June 26th, 2008 at 9:12 am
  8. @TheChrisD - That happens the odd time. It checks 3 ways to make sure you’re a human.* If one glitches because of the network connection then you fail the test. Back button fixes it.

    *The 4th was grabbing your swonickles. But I disabled that. Enough creepy stuff going on around here.

    8. Primal Sneeze on June 26th, 2008 at 9:23 am
  9. Would also look forward to a part two! :) Maybe not calling it blogging would help? Refer him to AndrewSullivan.com, exceptional journalist making a good part of his living by blogging, although the way it’s done is more like an online column or critique.

    I’ve been trying to get himself to blog for ages. He’s a beautiful writer and works in a profession that deal with the public. It lends itself to some hilarious situations, sort of Well Done Fillet, but in a different sphere. Alas he thinks we’re all a bit nuts and is also a bit of an internet sceptic. It’s a shame.

    Love the purple sky by the way! :)

    9. Deborah on June 26th, 2008 at 9:41 am
  10. “Welcome back, want to share something Conan Drumm?”

    Er… Hello, I er… I was just looking, you know… browsing, that kind of thing. You can’t actually SEE me or anything, can you?

    This bit “want to share something Conan Drumm?” seems vaguely threatening… a bit like being interviewed in a small room with a large mirror.

    What? You want to sniff my cookies?!!

    10. Conan Drumm on June 26th, 2008 at 10:02 am
  11. Good hunting, Primal.

    Old style newspaper man with fund of anecdote and wisdom could be an excellent blogger.

    I suspect they have seen the way computers & the web have messed up their profession - which was a talk to people thing rather than a recycle stuff thing - and are suspicious as a result.

    The Web is diverse, and doesn’t easily fit in a box. But people like neat tidy boxes.

    The HAL effect got me too, but I’ve got used to the “Howya, aonghus” stuff.

    11. aonghus on June 26th, 2008 at 11:28 am
  12. Good luck getting this guy to start blogging, would be a very interesting read.
    And I also like the creepy thing :)

    12. Mark on June 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
  13. Just send him a link to yours - I’m sure that will make him want to take up the challenge :-)

    13. conortje on June 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
  14. @Deborah - I’ll play the AndrewSullivan.com card and see what happens.

    Bribe the hubby. Half dozen brownies per blog post seems fair to me.

    @Conan Drumm - Your cookies are well and truly sniffed.

    … a bit like being interviewed in a small room with a large mirror. For a job in the oldest profession?

    @aonghus - Wouldn’t he be great! Imagine the stories he could tell. Even if I can’t persuade him, I’d still like to use the pint-time to get to the root of the suspicions.

    @Mark - The creepy thing should have a name. Ideas? Something out of a Stephen King novel I reckon.

    @conortje - Fek no! There’s probably a yarn about his mother/sister/brother buried in here somewhere. And he’d recognise them. Names changed or not.

    14. Primal Sneeze on June 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
  15. Is this the queue for confession? :roll:

    Have you a different greeting for all your regulars?

    I’d like a yoke like that… a different question to appear every time a Toyboy visits, it would save me writing a blog post.

    Get behind that guy and give him a big push. We will all come to the great unveiling!

    15. Grannymar on June 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
  16. @Grannymar - I just changed it this morning, ma’am. It was a bit, eh, American or something. It’ll stay as it is for the time being.

    Fek, but yee are all putting the pressure on me now. Now that you want it to happen, Grannymar, I’ve no choice but to produce.

    16. Primal Sneeze on June 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
  17. I’d go read his blog for sure. For a fellow who likes to write and especially one who’s used to being read, I reckon blogging can’t be beat. Beholden to noone, no advertisers or anything, but with a firm commitment to the truth like this guy seems to have - what’s not to like?

    He might be a bit leery of the technology of it. Take him for a pint for sure, and let him know how easy it is. If a California housewife can do it, anyone can.

    17. problemchildbride on June 26th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
  18. How old is he do you know? It sounds like he might have tech-fobia and giving a bit of an excuse by getting on the case of blogging, internet, etc. Now I don’t want to get a slap on the back of the neck, I don’t mean elder citizens don’t know how to use the internet or have a fear of technology becaaaause I know many retired people who are amazing with change and technology, embrace and love it.
    Anyways, good luck with the project! It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
    G

    18. Gaye on June 26th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
  19. @Gaye & @problemchildbride - He’s not yet 60. Took early retirement. And he’s no techophobe, in the sense of fearing computers. A long-time user in fact.

    The problem lies in the deep seated loathing journos have for the common man doing a journo’s work. If, when editor, his bosses had told him to blog on behalf of the paper he would have, I’m sure. Gladly. Now that he is just a common man he doesn’t see it as an option. He sees it as wrong.

    19. Primal Sneeze on June 27th, 2008 at 5:21 am
  20. Half a dozen brownies? I’d knock out posts for brownies…

    20. Caro on June 27th, 2008 at 9:09 am
  21. Tell him a blog is just another word for a fancy new fandangled typewriter. I hope you convince him.

    21. Quickroute on June 27th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
  22. I see what you mean now. I feel the same way about people who grab a dictionary and call themselves “a translator” or some even “linguist”. I guess at some point in the past physiotherapists had similar feelings towards chiropractors, and medicine towards alternative therapies. Etc, etc.
    I hope you succeed in your mission.
    Gx
    PS: I opened a wordpress account, brace yourself for at least a dozen questions, as I seem to get stuck a lot!

    22. Gaye on June 27th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
  23. @Caro - All you could ever want over at Debz’ place.

    @Quickroute - It didn’t go well. But all’s not lost. I’ll update the main post later.

    @Gaye - Whey hey! Another convert to the church of WordPress. Yep, sure - hit me with questions.

    23. Primal Sneeze on June 28th, 2008 at 4:48 am

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