Publicans and Pharisees



By Primal Sneeze ~ July 30th, 2008. Filed under: Builders, Economy, Immigration, Plonkers, Publicans, Pubs, Tax.

I don’t know much about Pharisees. Maybe they’re the folks that make the telescopes.

But as a stereotypical Irish male, I know all there is to know about Publicans. Stingy robbing bastards the lot of them[no citation needed]. The bastard that owns my local has rubber pockets in his jeans for robbing soup.

Down through the years the local publican was seen as a pillar of the community. I recall two occasions in the 80s that my local pub owner acted as character witness for an individual charged with public order offences, or whatever we called them then - messing? Minor-ish charges.

In the Age of Enlightenment, we began to see them for what they were. Pubs and pub licenses changed hands in the 90s for astronomical amounts of money. Backwater publicans became sidewinder multi-millionaires over night. They fought the smoking ban. The fought against stricter drink-driving laws. All in the best interest of the customer, of course. Figure that! Yet prices charged across the counter continued to rise. And rise dramatically.

There were justifications trotted out for this. Higher staff costs was a common one. I never really got my head around that - how would wages rise at a time when publicans were replacing local workers with much lower-paid immigrants? Well, I suppose they figured if we believed it from the builders, we’d believe it from them.

Overheads. Ah yes, overheads. Now that was a doozy. It was the ultimate cover-all excuse. Never explained. It didn’t have to be. My overheads have risen. No details needed. None given. It may have had something to do with golf club fees, holidays in Dubai and new SUVs.

The best of all by a long shot was the old reliables of the brewery, the VAT and the duty. I use the singular was intentionally. These were rattled off as a single item. In one breath. No commas. Guinness-put-the-pint-up-then-there’s-the-VAT-and-duty.

By another long shot I am no tax accountant, but this does not compute with me. Does not compute. Does not compute.

Duty. Excise duty on alcohol is levied by the State on the basis of volume of alcohol, not sale value. So the duty owing on a pint of beer costing €2 is exactly the same as on one costing €20. It is a flat amount. Don’t tell me that businesses trading in liquor don’t know that!

For anyone who wants to play with the figures, the current rate for beers of above 1.2% alcohol by volume is €19.87 per Hectolitre per cent of alcohol. You won’t though - it’s too complicated. The publicans like it that way - you’ll get a headache trying to work it out and it’ll be easier just accept what they tell you.

To further complicate matters, the Irish government’s love of double taxation means that, VAT is levied on the duty. A tax is, itself, taxed.

Now, what does a publican pay for a pint of Guinness for example? I reckon any publican paying more than €2.67 is out of his head based on what Homekegs.ie charge. That’s €2.20 before VAT.

Guinness recently mooted the idea of increasing their prices by 2%. The media reported this could extrapolate into an 8cent increase at the pumps. How? Take that €2.20 pre VAT wholesale price and deduct excise duty of 50cent[Note: My effort at working out the above rates] leaves €1.70. A 2% increase is 3.4cent.

So the publican is selling now at €4.00 per pint, or €3.30 before VAT. To recoup the increase his pre-VAT price rises to €3.334, or €4.04 (rounded up) after VAT. A 4cent increase which he will round up again to €4.05.

But what he will actually do is add 2% to his VAT inclusive price of €4.00 to get €4.08, which is the figure quoted by the media and which he will then round up to €4.10.

Guinness get 3.4cent extra and the publican gets 6.6cent. Ask why a meagre 2% increase has put the price of your pint up so much and you will be told Guinness-put-the-pint-up-then-there’s-the-VAT-and-duty.

Reader's Comments

  1. Conan Drumm | July 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    I tried doing the sums.

    The answer came out as 6 times imported cheap German beer from Aldidl = X.

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  2. Grannymar | July 30th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Whaaa! Primal doesn’t like me today. My comment got lost with a notice about cookies & milk or sumtin!

    I was trying to say that I read €19.87 per Hectolitre as €19.87 per Helicopter. It sounds better and I am sure works out just the same.

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  3. Grannymar | July 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    The black box won’t let me say hello either.

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  4. Primal Sneeze | July 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    @Conan Drumm - In fairness, I think it’s only 5.973 times.

    @Grannymar - The black box may have been at fault. It has a thing for edible comments. Try it again - it’s back now.

    I’ve never been up in a Hectolitre.

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  5. TheChrisD | July 30th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    I may be good with numbers…
    But I’m confused :?

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  6. Primal Sneeze | July 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    @TheChrisD - I think that’s the intention. Not mine.

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  7. Quickroute | July 31st, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Is it any wonder we’re all drrrinkin’ at home more!

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  8. problemchildbride | July 31st, 2008 at 8:35 am

    I don’t know much about Pharisees. Maybe they’re the folks that make the telescopes

    Ha!

    Why would anyone want to holiday in Dubai? It’s all just sand and shopping malls, isn’t it?

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  9. problemchildbride | July 31st, 2008 at 8:36 am

    I could not believe how much a pint cost in Dublin when I was over. Shocking prices, especially with the dollar like it is.

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  10. Primal Sneeze | July 31st, 2008 at 9:20 am

    @Quickroute - But you’re drinking away. In Buenos Aires like. That’s not at home.

    @problemchildbride - Glad someone liked the telescope bit.

    Dubai has shopping malls. Massive ones. Milky Way starred hotels. And golf courses … that you can drive an SUV to.

    @problemchildbride again - Yeah! It’s alcohol abuse if you ask me.

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